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PostSubject: Worst Case Scenerio   Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:17 pm

With all of the current activity in Ferguson and with the rhetoric and talk of "rogue cops" (?) what do you all think this is heading? As for me, I'm thinking the grim possibility of the beginning of the SHTF; (Shit hitting the fan) With all of these race-baiting idiots going around adding fuel to the already controversial fire, from the very top of our nation on down, it's not looking good. and I'm doing my absolute best to prep what I have at my disposal even more in case something major goes down.

What are your thoughts on all this?

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PostSubject: Re: Worst Case Scenerio   Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:17 am

Maybe your cops just need more education and training to do their job right? If somebody is allowed to use lethal force for a living, they should be higly qualified.

The legal system is losing confidence. It's been populistic for years.

The politicans is highly influenced by oligarchs, a lot more than they are influenced by their voters. And the voters put the responsibility on the oligarchs instead of holding the politicans responsible (the Occupy Wall Street movment was a fiasko mostly because they where shooting at the wrong target).

What's happening now is just a symptom of failure in all links of the power structure. Some of the are critical. Others can be fixed. But fixing it doesn't come cheap.
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PostSubject: Re: Worst Case Scenerio   Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:00 am

I cannot argue your logic there Equal, sadly, you are correct. The People are angry, frustrated, and fed up and are lashing out, but they are aiming their frustrations and rage at the wrong targets. Cops do need more training, expert training, when situations like this arise.

Oligarchs do sound like better targets anyway. Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Worst Case Scenerio   Thu Dec 25, 2014 10:18 pm

The reason that this event was so compelling was that the propaganda attempted to compress it into an emotion pin in order to pop the media-balloon for headlines. It was a classic case of Right &Wrong playing on the same ‘playground’ as Law & Crime.

A policeman’s purpose is to serve and protect the law and those following by its policies. When met with a source, which challenges this... the primary job of the officer is to NEUTRALIZE THE THREAT based upon the options available.

This is strongly impacted by his ability to think creatively, as well as his training.  

His job is NOT to TERMINATE THE SUSPECT!

This is strongly impacted by his ability to think creatively, as well as his training.

Neutralizing a threat is EXTREMELY different than terminating a target; as seen and taught in the military. If a termination order comes down that is called, a Kill-Mission. Outside of that, our primary job is to neutralize threats and secure the wounded once they are no longer threat.

(Ferguson) When the wounded unarmed suspect (Michael Brown) attempted to run away from the police vehicle after he was shot the first time, and turned around with a collapsing lung (the details of this statement cannot be validated, at all, there were too many versions), the office DID state that he had ample amounts of time to exit his vehicle and consider/debate with himself if he could KILL his target legally (this was said by the officer in his interview).

Why was that internal conversation the length and depth of his creativity to neutralize the threat?

All suspects are innocent until proven guilty. When the target ‘reached’ for the gun in the car, he was shot… hence, neutralizing the immediate threat. When the office got out the car, could he have gone to the other side of the vehicle to take cover? Could he have simply engaged the wounded target with a hold, since he is trained, and handcuffed him? Could he have offered him medical attention in response to the target spitting blood on the concrete?

The question is… 'Was the immediate threat neutralized and did the officer have OPTIONS other than the singular one he consciously chose to take?'

If he did not... I support his actions.
If he did... he will have to answer to God for his actions, because he is free with blood on his hands.

-Omen, “Heroes aren’t made during good times!”  - The Elite Forces Division
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PostSubject: Re: Worst Case Scenerio   Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:59 am

Don't think the big issue is a single incident, but a escalating distrust of the autorities. Law enforcement and court of justice failed in making the public trust them, and now the distrust is spinning out of control.
From the outside it seems like the system of punishment over rehabilitation is about to eat it's own ass. As the "tough on crime" started to look like "punish the poor", you have a mob that belive they have lost the right to justice. That make them afraid. And a society in fear act irrational.

But since you prefere the political system to be ineffective, even if some of the right people manage to get their heads out their asses, there might be to many idiots and corrupted sobs in the way to make any lasting change.
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PostSubject: Re: Worst Case Scenerio   Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:19 pm

On one of my facebooks, I watch a few pages like "Cop Block", just for information from another side. There was recently a post about how innocent cops shouldn't be surprised at violence instigated against them, because other cops they've probably never even met allegedly instigate violence against innocent civilians. There will always be riot-inciters, doing their best to take down the system, either because they see it's flaws over it's merits, or because it looks good on a resume' and pads their wallets, or just because it's something to do. It's like that old saying, "You can't see the forest for the trees". In this case, they bank on people being unable to see the forest of the system's over-all efficiency, for the trees of the isolated incidents of the abuse of the system. This is one time, when the apathy of the people may pay off; there seems to be a lot more talk these days than action, unlike the L.A. riots. It's possible that there will be riots. That's why doing preemptive damage-control is so important. Knowing how to present the facts in a way that gets through to the people can do a lot to put out any sparks, before they start a fire.
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PostSubject: Re: Worst Case Scenerio   Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:46 am

Maybe there should be riots?
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PostSubject: Re: Worst Case Scenerio   Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:13 pm

You want there to be riots Equal? What on earth for?
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PostSubject: Re: Worst Case Scenerio   Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:22 pm

Could be nice to be without, but change is needed. And as the system works at the time, violence is the only way for people who can't afford their own politicans to get political influence. If you can't buy them, scare the crap out of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Worst Case Scenerio   Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:50 pm

Good point. Genuine fear DOES have ways of getting a person's point across.
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PostSubject: Re: Worst Case Scenerio   Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:52 pm

We're not talking about an organized movement, here; we're talking about an angry mob. Innocent people could get killed. Oath Keepers was protecting businesses and people in Ferguson, but they're no longer allowed to by the police, and these riots could very well spread nationwide.
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PostSubject: Re: Worst Case Scenerio   Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:08 am

Liberty ain't cheap.
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PostSubject: Re: Worst Case Scenerio   Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:05 pm

Equal wrote:
Liberty ain't cheap.


This.
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PostSubject: Re: Worst Case Scenerio   Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:34 pm

Perhaps the most constructive thing we can do at this time is to try to add order to this chaos by encouraging the mobs to form an organized movement.
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PostSubject: Re: Worst Case Scenerio   Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:23 pm

The Black Stampede wrote:
Perhaps the most constructive thing we can do at this time is to try to add order to this chaos by encouraging the mobs to form an organized movement.

^This
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PostSubject: Re: Worst Case Scenerio   Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:10 am

If they have the balls to march against the white house or senate, that might work. If they are intimidating enough.
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